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Post by gljbradley on Apr 1, 2018 1:06:46 GMT -8
With all of the technology, philosophy, and history that's been discussed concerning the Star Wars franchise, I'm kinda surprised that this topic isn't explored more. And I'm talking about the romances shown in the films.
I've noticed how dysfunctional and unhealthy the relationships are when it comes to Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala, Han Solo and Leia Organa, and I guess Kylo Ren and Rey.
Hear me out. Thinking back to the films, I've realized that these pairings are borderline abusive! And I'm talking mental abuse, emotional abuse, and verbal abuse. Hell, while we're at it, let's add physical abuse in there as well!
Any thoughts?
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 1, 2018 12:48:36 GMT -8
That's a good point, although Anakin was corrupted by the darkside explaining his actions. He was so far gone by that point.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 1, 2018 14:05:38 GMT -8
That's a good point, although Anakin was corrupted by the darkside explaining his actions. He was so far gone by that point. I agree. Though, I personally think that there was already something truly negative inside of Anakin that was magnified by the Darkside. I think it's a mixture of the environment he was raised in and the Darkside that explains why Anakin did what he did. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 1, 2018 18:03:51 GMT -8
He definitely seemed like he had severe hate and rage issues that the dark side of the Force doubtlessly fed off of and heightened his impulses. Not as a child but you can tell by the events of Attack Of The Clones he was on that path.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 3, 2018 17:03:40 GMT -8
I consider Kylo Ren and Rey kindred spirits at most.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 4, 2018 2:16:00 GMT -8
He definitely seemed like he had severe hate and rage issues that the dark side of the Force doubtlessly fed off of and heightened his impulses. Not as a child but you can tell by the events of Attack Of The Clones he was on that path. I agree. He was definitely on that path as shown in Attack of the Clones. Especially after the death of his mother. That had obviously seriously affected him. Also, even as a child, and this is just what I think, I could sense a sadness within him. In Phantom Menace, he seemed like a sweet, fun-loving little boy overall. But at times, I feel that he's a little bit withdrawn and very unsure of himself, mainly due to the rough environment he was raised in and how he was treated as a slave along with his mother. I imagine that the first years of his life were quite difficult despite having the love his mother. Then, at age 9, despite willingly wanting to help fight for the greater good of the galaxy, he's basically pushed into a situation where a whole lot of responsibilities are bestowed upon him, he was trained to be a Jedi under a strict(and rather hypocritical) code, and he finds himself having a lot to prove when certain bad situations occur. I think this would make anyone feel insecure, frustrated, and angry after a while. |
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 4, 2018 2:24:06 GMT -8
I consider Kylo Ren and Rey kindred spirits at most. Excellent point. Them being kindred spirits makes more sense mainly. Add onto to the fact that they're on the opposite sides of the dark/light spectrum, it's like a Yin and Yang situation. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 4, 2018 16:04:20 GMT -8
He definitely seemed like he had severe hate and rage issues that the dark side of the Force doubtlessly fed off of and heightened his impulses. Not as a child but you can tell by the events of Attack Of The Clones he was on that path. I agree. He was definitely on that path as shown in Attack of the Clones. Especially after the death of his mother. That had obviously seriously affected him. Also, even as a child, and this is just what I think, I could sense a sadness within him. In Phantom Menace, he seemed like a sweet, fun-loving little boy overall. But at times, I feel that he's a little bit withdrawn and very unsure of himself, mainly due to the rough environment he was raised in and how he was treated as a slave along with his mother. I imagine that the first years of his life were quite difficult despite having the love his mother. Then, at age 9, despite willingly wanting to help fight for the greater good of the galaxy, he's basically pushed into a situation where a whole lot of responsibilities are bestowed upon him, he was trained to be a Jedi under a strict(and rather hypocritical) code, and he finds himself having a lot to prove when certain bad situations occur. I think this would make anyone feel insecure, frustrated, and angry after a while. He was in a rough spot from an early age and while he was on the right path for a while as a Jedi it didn't take long for him to be swayed by the dark side, which channeled much of his rage and hate. |
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 4, 2018 20:16:05 GMT -8
I agree. He was definitely on that path as shown in Attack of the Clones. Especially after the death of his mother. That had obviously seriously affected him. Also, even as a child, and this is just what I think, I could sense a sadness within him. In Phantom Menace, he seemed like a sweet, fun-loving little boy overall. But at times, I feel that he's a little bit withdrawn and very unsure of himself, mainly due to the rough environment he was raised in and how he was treated as a slave along with his mother. I imagine that the first years of his life were quite difficult despite having the love his mother. Then, at age 9, despite willingly wanting to help fight for the greater good of the galaxy, he's basically pushed into a situation where a whole lot of responsibilities are bestowed upon him, he was trained to be a Jedi under a strict(and rather hypocritical) code, and he finds himself having a lot to prove when certain bad situations occur. I think this would make anyone feel insecure, frustrated, and angry after a while. He was in a rough spot from an early age and while he was on the right path for a while as a Jedi it didn't take long for him to be swayed by the dark side, which channeled much of his rage and hate. Absolutely. The Darkside had clearly taken his deep insecurities and frustrations, and heightened them. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 4, 2018 20:43:52 GMT -8
Doesn't help he was further swayed by Palpatine, either. Although Vader committed terrible acts of death and destruction in the original trilogy, it was Palpatine who pushed him down that road. Which isn't to take away what Vader himself did.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 8, 2018 15:40:54 GMT -8
Doesn't help he was further swayed by Palpatine, either. Although Vader committed terrible acts of death and destruction in the original trilogy, it was Palpatine who pushed him down that road. Which isn't to take away what Vader himself did. Exactly. Palpatine had most likely recognized the growing rage within Anakin and used that to sway him. And yes, it still doesn't excuse the evil deeds and actions that Anakin has done as Vader. It's his fault for allowing his anger and his extreme hunger for power to turn him into a monster. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 8, 2018 18:03:04 GMT -8
Even with a tragic villain like Vader, always important to remember a villain is still a villain no matter what. They're choosing to be evil and commit acts of evil at the end of the day and that's what Vader did. Although I do think Palpatine is infinitely worse than him when it comes down to it.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 9, 2018 1:39:42 GMT -8
Even with a tragic villain like Vader, always important to remember a villain is still a villain no matter what. They're choosing to be evil and commit acts of evil at the end of the day and that's what Vader did. Although I do think Palpatine is infinitely worse than him when it comes down to it. EXACTLY. I always thought this. Palpatine IS infinitely worse than Vader, even though he(Anakin/Vader) is far from exempt from all of the villainous things he's ever done. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 9, 2018 2:45:14 GMT -8
They're both villains to be feared equally for sure. Rough as Anakin as had it, he's not someone I'd want to be in the same room with.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 9, 2018 19:55:57 GMT -8
They're both villains to be feared equally for sure. Rough as Anakin as had it, he's not someone I'd want to be in the same room with. Totally! Hell, I'd be creeped out if he's constantly staring at me.  |
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