Random NOES Theory & Question

I agree. I had that feeling watching the second film. The thing is that this hasn't been touched upon very much. We already know about his powers in the dream world. In the dream world, he can do whatever he wants and anything goes because it's his territory. But we haven't really explored his power and influence in the real world. Even though it would seem as if he doesn't have much power in the real world, we would be ignorant to not realize that he possibly still has some sort of influence in the real world, besides his victims' murders in their dreams also happening in real life. Especially in the town of Springwood. I could be wrong about this but I feel that though it's not as prominent in the other films before and after it, the extreme weather in Springwood shown in Freddy's Revenge may be Freddy's doing. Now, I don't know much about Ohio's climate and temperature, but I don't think such unnaturally extreme hot weather such as that would be possible in that area. Though, just for the sake of argument, even if it was extremely hot, it wouldn't be THAT DRASTIC. When I was watching the film, I felt that the weather had some sort of supernatural element behind it. It was the kind of thing that everyone was feeling. So, perhaps everyone else in Springwood was feeling the heat in more ways than one. And maybe since then, depending on Freddy's state, the weather in Springwood may have been normal at times and then strange during other times. What do you think about this notion? Again, I could be wrong.

In just about all of the films, notably the second one and Freddy's Dead, Freddy's influence over the town can't be denied. In fact, in the semi-spinoff show, Freddy's Nightmares, it's implied that Freddy definitely has a hold over Springwood and possibly the atmosphere surrounding it.

Yeah. On one hand, judging from the rules of the original, Freddy seemed based only in the dream world. Him going into the real would seemingly render him completely powerless. He easily ended up getting his ass kicked by Nancy. 

Yet, on the other hand, Freddy is technically a demon who by all accounts can, depending on whether he's strong enough at the moment, manipulates and influences reality. I mean, though this was never mentioned in the original film as to this wasn't Wes Craven's intention perhaps, he was given his powers by dream demons (which I will talk about in another thread). Not to mention, he did behave in a demonic manner a few times. Just look at the scenes where he kills Tina and Nancy's mother. The way Tina's death scene especially played out is almost like an extreme demon possession episode that turned fatal. 

As you mentioned concerning the pool party scene, this would explain the slaughter that went down at the pool party. Also, notice that Lisa's parents were also effected by the situation judging by how they can actually see Freddy and tried stop him(who by this time, had possessed Jesse's body) by shooting him.

You know, this brings to mind two interesting things.

The first thing is that in Wes Craven's New Nightmare, the film clearly alluded to the idea that Freddy or "whatever that's masquerading as Freddy" is a demonic entity that can affect reality. The earthquake scenes and hospital scenes show how reality can be seriously warped.

The second thing is a line from Freddy vs Jason that was spoken by Freeburg that's rather telling now that I think about it. In the scene where Lori, Will, Kia, Lenderman, Freeburg, and Deputy Stubbs were talking about the situation involving Freddy and Jason, Freeburg says something along the lines, "You better start thinking about the size of that box, dude. Because somebody's definitely breaking the fucking reality rules here." Forgive me if that's not what he said exactly. I'm basically paraphrasing by what I remember being said. It seems as if even Freeburg possibly knows that Freddy is somehow powerful outside the realm of dreams. Remember, the conversation was about what to do in mainly dealing with Freddy and how Jason fits into this. And Will points out that Freddy was the one that brought Jason back in order for him(Jason) to do his bidding. Basically, Freddy had manipulated Jason through mind control, despite being quite weak. So, this seems to show how capable and powerful Freddy is.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Even in in the scene in Freddy vs Jason where he tries to kill Blake in his dream, he says, "Not strong enough, yet. I will be soon enough." alludes to this. As you said, the more Freddy wreaks havoc and the more fear he instills, the stronger he gets and the more he's able to warp reality to a certain extent. And notice that after he'd finally gotten the chance to kill someone, which is Mark, he had seemingly became a bit stronger because the fear had started to grow, especially among Lori and her friends. Just look at the scene at Westin Hills when Freeburg was smoking pot. I know that Freeburg was rather high and seemed mostly conscious, but in this situation, how else was Freddy able to morph himself into a giant caterpillar in the real world and effect Freeburg by putting him in some sort of semi-spell if he didn't have some sort of power to effect reality? And on top of that, Freddypillar ends up possessing him when he(Freeburg) was unwilling to get rid of the Hypnocil pills. Again, how else was Freddy able to do this in the real world if Freeburg probably wasn't completely asleep? Think about it.

Totally! The more fear of him grows, the stronger his powers will become and the more of his influence will increase outside of the dreamscape. And it's funny that you mentioned that it's like "a malignant cancer that gets more and more all-consuming". That reminds me of what Mark told Will in his brother's van before Will headed off to the rave party. Mark became concerned that he might've screwed up the town's plan in making sure people don't think about and fear Freddy again when he was warning Lori in the school hallway while everyone around witnessed the whole exchange. He went on to say that Freddy was going to spread like a plague and teens are going to start dreaming of him again. And he says this in a dreaded and frustrated manner.

So, I guess that in a metaphorical way, Freddy is like a malignant cancer that spreads like a plague in Springwood, huh?

Indeed. I wonder if that was Wes Craven's intention for Freddy Krueger as a character. Because it's definitely fitting for him.

Yeah. I read that Wes didn't like the sequels very much which is perfectly fine and understandable. And yes, he indicated that he didn't intend for NOES to be a film series in the Never Sleep Again documentary. He wanted it to be a one shot movie. But, New Line wanted the story to continue. In a way, I'm glad they did. Because the nature of story make it seem as if there would be so much more to explore concerning the characters.