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Post by gljbradley on Apr 17, 2019 6:45:58 GMT -8
It seemed the 80s cartoon was something of an alternative take on the storyline, likely altered to be more family-friendly. Clarence Boddicker makes an appearance despite having been killed in the film. Wow. It's like if an R rated property is so popular to the point where children love it, it'll eventually have some sort of kid-friendly merchandise, spin-off, cartoon, etc. IMO, I don't think that should happen because that kind of dilutes the adult content of that property. If it's not meant for children, DON'T WATER IT DOWN.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 17, 2019 11:44:36 GMT -8
I definitely agree. Even as a kid, you feel like it loses it's appeal when they suddenly start watering it down to be more appealing to you when in doing so it loses it's allure to you.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 18, 2019 2:15:54 GMT -8
I definitely agree. Even as a kid, you feel like it loses it's appeal when they suddenly start watering it down to be more appealing to you when in doing so it loses it's allure to you. Right on the money! We've seen this happen so many times. In order to make the parents happy, they would water down R rated franchises or at least give them family-friendly(animated or live-action) spin-offs. This would often dilute the franchises and as you said, even kids would see that it's not as appealing when it's watered down. This also shows that Hollyweird seems to have this delusional notion that R rated films can't be exciting, appealing, and interesting enough to where they can be box office winners. They seem to think that R rated films have to be dull, so serious, and extreme. But that shouldn't have to be the case. R rated films can be fun and enthralling like other films that have different ratings. Not to mention, these films happen to appeal to children even though they're not geared toward children. And that's not the films' fault. It's not against the law nor nature for children to watch R rated movies. It's just that there can be content in these films that aren't appropriate for children. But not every child are the same. Some children can handle the stuff that goes on in R rated films while other children can't. It's ultimately up to the parents to be responsible when it comes to talking to their children about things that happen in R rated films.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 18, 2019 12:02:50 GMT -8
Absolutely. It's annoying and insulting when movie studios and execs essentially try to become the movie police when they start watering down R-rated film series and characters to give them more mass appeal. Such series and characters naturally find their fanbases and audiences regardless of age.
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Post by gljbradley on Apr 20, 2019 22:03:33 GMT -8
Absolutely. It's annoying and insulting when movie studios and execs essentially try to become the movie police when they start watering down R-rated film series and characters to give them more mass appeal. Such series and characters naturally find their fanbases and audiences regardless of age. Indeed! And what these jokers don't get is that watering down R rated film franchises would drive audiences AWAY than stay and the films would often lose money as a result. They don't want to acknowledge this but at times the appeal to children is that the R rating is looked at as the forbidden fruit if the films end up being interesting for the kids. Sometimes, it's because of things like curiosity and wanting to experience something that seems exciting for adults that children want to also watch films that aren't geared toward them and have higher ratings. Plus, logically speaking, in life, you're only a child for such a short amount of time whereas you'll grow into an adult and remain an adult for the rest of your life. There will always be children born into this world and children need their own entertainment. But, it's the adults that make up most of the audiences and are obviously the ones making the films.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Apr 20, 2019 22:53:27 GMT -8
And on top of that it also shows how lowly a lot of the time they think of children and underage audiences thinking they need hard-edged properties watered down for them. They're actually insulting the children in the movie-going demographics when they try to tailor certain properties more for them to be age-appropriate.
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Post by gljbradley on May 29, 2019 22:59:13 GMT -8
And on top of that it also shows how lowly a lot of the time they think of children and underage audiences thinking they need hard-edged properties watered down for them. They're actually insulting the children in the movie-going demographics when they try to tailor certain properties more for them to be age-appropriate. YOU SAID NOTHING BUT A WORD! It's awful and insulting that they seem to think that children aren't intelligent enough to have some entertainment that's a little "meaty" when it comes to story substance and moderate content. And yes, it's extremely insulting to the children when they water down hard-edged properties in order to "appeal" to their demographic. With the recent Deadpool 2/ Once Upon a Deadpool debacle, this proves that there are certain franchises that should be left the way they are. From what I heard from a few people, they said that there were children in both film screenings and the children prefer the R rated version. I even heard last week that there surprisingly were quite a few parents bringing their children to see John Wick 3: Parabellum and they say that the film was ultra-violent and gruesome AF. Yet, they all enjoyed it. So, what does that tell you?
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Post by Crypt Keeper on May 30, 2019 14:00:38 GMT -8
I still can't believe they went ahead with a PG-13 version of Deadpool 2. Hopefully it's dismal numbers show the studios audiences want their edgier characters like Deadpool to remain edgy and adult-oriented, and that ironically includes the kids in the audience, too. Studios don't realize how much they actually insult childrens' intelligence when they tone down characters like that to be more appealing to them.
It reminds me of the time McFarlane Toys actually did a family-oriented re-imagining of Spawn that toned down the graphic violence and changed his origin to be alien instead of demonic. Just... ugh.
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Post by gljbradley on Jun 1, 2019 23:46:29 GMT -8
I still can't believe they went ahead with a PG-13 version of Deadpool 2. Hopefully it's dismal numbers show the studios audiences want their edgier characters like Deadpool to remain edgy and adult-oriented, and that ironically includes the kids in the audience, too. Studios don't realize how much they actually insult childrens' intelligence when they tone down characters like that to be more appealing to them. It reminds me of the time McFarlane Toys actually did a family-oriented re-imagining of Spawn that toned down the graphic violence and changed his origin to be alien instead of demonic. Just... ugh. I can't believe it either. They shouldn't have given Deadpool 2 a PG-13 rated cut. That was and STILL IS BEYOND STUPID. Especially since China is said to be not too impressed with Once Upon a Deadpool themselves and I think they made the film specifically to be shown in China. Sure, it made some money in China, but not as much as they had hoped. Ironic, isn't it? Deadpool is meant for teenagers and adults, and he should remain that way. If children want to see his films or read his comics and their parents are okay with that, the parents should allow them to do so with caution. As I've said before, it's ultimately the parents' responsibility to talk to their children about the kind of content and characters that are in R rated films and other forms of media aimed at mature audiences. And yes, these damn studios are constantly insulting children's intelligence whenever they water-down R rated properties and not even realizing that the fact that those properties being hard-edged are among the main reasons why children want to see them. Wow. That sounds dumb and insane. From demonic to alien-like? Todd McFarlane shouldn't have had to tone down his Spawn toy collections in order to not frighten the children who may have liked the character. SMH.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Jun 2, 2019 11:26:43 GMT -8
Supposedly we'll still be getting R-rated Deadpool films under Disney since they own Fox now which includes Deadpool. After the disaster of OUAD one can only hope this has been a lesson to not neuter the more edgy comic book characters like Deadpool and that the underage audience members want him to stay that way, too.
I recall it was called something like The Adventures Of Spawn. To think Todd McFarlane watered down his own creation to appeal to a younger audience. One of the things that made Spawn so refreshing he was such an edgy, no-holds-barred character and a breath of fresh air from the usual superhero, and by re-imagining him more family-friendly they ruined his appeal.
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Post by gljbradley on Jun 5, 2019 22:37:53 GMT -8
Supposedly we'll still be getting R-rated Deadpool films under Disney since they own Fox now which includes Deadpool. After the disaster of OUAD one can only hope this has been a lesson to not neuter the more edgy comic book characters like Deadpool and that the underage audience members want him to stay that way, too. I recall it was called something like The Adventures Of Spawn. To think Todd McFarlane watered down his own creation to appeal to a younger audience. One of the things that made Spawn so refreshing he was such an edgy, no-holds-barred character and a breath of fresh air from the usual superhero, and by re-imagining him more family-friendly they ruined his appeal. Yeah, I heard that Bob Iger said that Deadpool won't be part of the MCU and will be part of his own universe. Still, I wouldn't put it passed Iger and the greedy ass rat to try and pull something stupid with Deadpool. As you said, the disaster of OUAD should show them that there are certain things and characters that SHOULDN'T BE NEUTERED and WATERED DOWN. Again, especially since even children prefer Deadpool in all of his uncensored, raunchy, gory, and foul-mouthed glory. Otherwise, how come in 2016, when the first film was released, there were a surprising number of children who were making such a fuss in wanting to see this film out of all of the PG-13 rated comic book films released that year? Of all of the 2016 comic book/superhero films like Captain America: Civil War, Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice, Doctor Strange, and even Suicide Squad, children wanted to really see Deadpool. Sure, it was the first film of this particular genre that was released that year. But due to the brilliant marketing and promotion and growing public interest, children wanted to also see and enjoy the film like their parents. Now, keep in mind that the other films I've named are rated PG-13 and many other films released that year were aimed at younger audiences were also PG-13 or PG. This film is rated R and aimed at older audiences. You would think that the children would've been going crazy for the films aimed at them, and in some cases, they were, and not even care about this film. But no. No way. Of all of these films, Deadpool was the film that had everyone, especially young children buzzing. And in a surprising way, Deadpool as a character became a character that children couldn't help but look up to even though he's such an outrageous and vulgar character. Maybe the fact that he's so outrageous and vulgar are some of the main reasons why children love him. And the studio watering Deadpool down would take away his cool factor and appeal to the children. Wow. That was crazy. Spawn is great exactly the way he is. He shouldn't have watered down his own creation to appeal to younger audiences. That is often a HUGE MISTAKE in any case.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Jun 6, 2019 15:38:37 GMT -8
I'd prefer Deadpool be kept out of the MCU if it means him being watered down for family audiences. He just doesn't work at all when made kid-friendly and the real irony is that kids would hate to see him made family-friendly and held back. Characters like Deadpool and Spawn have that forbidden fruit factor to them to the underage audiences that despite their dark nature that's exactly what makes them so cool. It just doesn't feel right to see characters like them neutered for a family audience, same with other edgy characters like Carnage (I don't even want to think about how horribly Carnage would fare in a PG-13 film).
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Post by gljbradley on Jun 6, 2019 23:12:08 GMT -8
I'd prefer Deadpool be kept out of the MCU if it means him being watered down for family audiences. He just doesn't work at all when made kid-friendly and the real irony is that kids would hate to see him made family-friendly and held back. Characters like Deadpool and Spawn have that forbidden fruit factor to them to the underage audiences that despite their dark nature that's exactly what makes them so cool. It just doesn't feel right to see characters like them neutered for a family audience, same with other edgy characters like Carnage (I don't even want to think about how horribly Carnage would fare in a PG-13 film). THIS!!! ^ I have no hope for Carnage. If they can remove Venom's balls, they can do the same to Carnage. SMH. In fact, forgive me for kind of going off topic, I just saw a video where it was discussed that The Dark Pheonix is one of the worst rated X-Men films of the franchise and they mentioned Once Upon a Deadpool as being one of the worst rated films of the franchise as well. Yet, Deadpool 2 had positive ratings like the first film and they're both R rated. It was even mentioned that Logan is the best rated X-Men film of the franchise and IT'S RATED R as well! So, even most of the critics weren't feeling OUAD either. What this shows is that watering something that's purposefully aimed at mature audiences just to appease younger audiences and their parents is a HUGE MISTAKE. As you said, characters like Deadpool and Spawn have that forbidden fruit factor that makes them so cool and appealing to underage audiences. Watering them down will dilute them and the children will probably most likely not be interested any longer. Not to mention, in the case of Deadpool, despite being rated R, the character AND the actor who portrays him still associates himself with children. Especially in the beautiful case where Ryan Reynolds would entertain children sick with cancer when they would visit the Deadpool film sets. Knowing how cancer is unpredictable and treacherous, especially when it comes to children and the heartbreaking fact that they may not make it to adulthood, they should be able to watch these films despite the R rating.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Jun 7, 2019 11:17:15 GMT -8
You hit the nail on the head. I too have noticed the overwhelmingly poor reviews Dark Phoenix is getting and it's telling how Logan and both Deadpool films despite the R-rating for all three are among the most well-received films of the series. Which shows fans and audiences alike (including likely many underage moviegoers) want these characters to remain R-rated and not held back. When you think about it, Dark Phoenix from the comics would've also benefitted from an R-rating and doing it as a PG-13 isn't very smart given it's dark and graphic nature (like the infamous moment where Jean Grey eradicates an entire planet full of billions of lives). Very sad way to cap off Fox's X-Men saga and one can only hope Disney doesn't ruin it.
After Logan, I'd honestly prefer if Wolverine is retired from future X-Men film. Not just because to me Hugh Jackman is just far too symbiotic with the character for me but after Logan, I don't want to see how neutered and back to being PG-13. Logan finally gave us a proper, unrestrained Wolverine who was violent and edgy (yet still with heart), and it'd feel like such a step backwards for the character to see him family-friendly again. Far as I'm concerned, Wolverine's tale has been beautifully told and ended on a very high note with Logan. Leave it at that and let the lesser-known X-Men characters shine come the MCU era.
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Post by gljbradley on Jun 9, 2019 1:58:53 GMT -8
You hit the nail on the head. I too have noticed the overwhelmingly poor reviews Dark Phoenix is getting and it's telling how Logan and both Deadpool films despite the R-rating for all three are among the most well-received films of the series. Which shows fans and audiences alike (including likely many underage moviegoers) want these characters to remain R-rated and not held back. When you think about it, Dark Phoenix from the comics would've also benefitted from an R-rating and doing it as a PG-13 isn't very smart given it's dark and graphic nature (like the infamous moment where Jean Grey eradicates an entire planet full of billions of lives). Very sad way to cap off Fox's X-Men saga and one can only hope Disney doesn't ruin it. After Logan, I'd honestly prefer if Wolverine is retired from future X-Men film. Not just because to me Hugh Jackman is just far too symbiotic with the character for me but after Logan, I don't want to see how neutered and back to being PG-13. Logan finally gave us a proper, unrestrained Wolverine who was violent and edgy (yet still with heart), and it'd feel like such a step backwards for the character to see him family-friendly again. Far as I'm concerned, Wolverine's tale has been beautifully told and ended on a very high note with Logan. Leave it at that and let the lesser-known X-Men characters shine come the MCU era. Indeed. I'm not counting on Disney to not ruin the X-Men franchise because look at what they've done to the Star Wars franchise. And now, the MCU is also taking that same path and people are starting to drop that franchise. Especially with the whole Captain Marvel fiasco.
I feel the same way. Leave Logan/Wolverine as he is.
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