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Post by gljbradley on Jul 25, 2019 22:03:21 GMT -8
It's a scapegoat when violent entertainment is blamed for real-life violence and takes away from the actual cause of it in real-life. Although RoboCop is an extremely violent film, the violence in it has a purpose to show just how horrific it is in real-life. Murphy's death is just horrific and gut-wrenching to watch, especially the unrated version. Even as a kid it was hard not to be affected by this and see that in real-life when someone is shot to death it's horrendous. With the Batman of the Burton and Nolan films as well as the classic 90s animated series, we had a dark and brooding Batman but one who still came off as likable and you could tell he was a good guy beneath it all, albeit one with a hard edge. I don't blame either Clooney or Affleck for the misfires they worked with when they were Batman as I feel both are good actors and would've been good as either character, they just had very poor material to work with. Scapegoat is absolutely right. Most of the films being released nowadays are more or less watered down for parents yet there's still horrific acts of violence like mass shootings going on. What can they blame that on now? Again, it goes back to some parents not raising their children right and teaching them that violence is not the answer. I absolutely agree that the violence in Robocop is meant to show the horrific consequences of getting shot and killed. I can't even watch Alex Murphy's death scene without cringing and being on the verge of tears. It traumatized me so badly when I first saw it. Every time I watch the movie now, I skip that one scene. It's one of the main scenes of any movie that I dare not watch ever again. I absolutely agree about Batman being brooding yet still likable. It's understandable that the character is rough around the edges due to the childhood trauma he went through due to him witnessing his parents get killed. Yet at the same time, he must still be likable because of his good heart in wanting to help others not suffer the way he's suffered. He's supposed to strike fear into criminals and supervillains yet not scare children. And yes, it definitely wasn't George Clooney and Ben Affleck's fault for the way their versions of Batman had turned out. The material they were given was terrible. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Jul 26, 2019 13:00:08 GMT -8
Violence is something that's been around since the beginning of time, long before violent forms of entertainment existed. It has it's underlying causes but a violent movie or video game isn't to blame. Thing is even if there is at least one person who's negatively influenced by violent entertainment, the blame falls on the parents for not teaching them right from wrong and to differentiate fantasy from reality.
Murphy's death in RoboCop is still one of the most genuinely horrific death scenes of any film ever for me. It not only showed how horrible violence is in real-life but how much of a scumbag Clarence Boddicker is along with the rest of his gang. He's still one of the all-time most reprehensible film villains ever.
Batman more often than not walks the fine line but ultimately keeps himself in-check to never sink to the same level as the criminals he goes after. Some may disagree with his no-killing rule but it's understandable why he chooses not to as he knows that's a line that once crossed there's no going back and he doesn't want that on his conscience. Clooney in a way never even had a fair chance to play a proper Batman with how atrocious his installment was written. Affleck I felt did fine despite the poor scripts, and it's a shame he'll now never get to be Batman in a good film. I would've been all for him as Batman in a live-action adaptation of the Arkham series.
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 27, 2019 20:24:06 GMT -8
Violence is something that's been around since the beginning of time, long before violent forms of entertainment existed. It has its underlying causes but a violent movie or video game isn't to blame. Thing is even if there is at least one person who's negatively influenced by violent entertainment, the blame falls on the parents for not teaching them right from wrong and to differentiate fantasy from reality. Murphy's death in RoboCop is still one of the most genuinely horrific death scenes of any film ever for me. It not only showed how horrible violence is in real-life but how much of a scumbag Clarence Boddicker is along with the rest of his gang. He's still one of the all-time most reprehensible film villains ever. Batman more often than not walks the fine line but ultimately keeps himself in-check to never sink to the same level as the criminals he goes after. Some may disagree with his no-killing rule but it's understandable why he chooses not to as he knows that's a line that once crossed there's no going back and he doesn't want that on his conscience. Clooney in a way never even had a fair chance to play a proper Batman with how atrocious his installment was written. Affleck I felt did fine despite the poor scripts, and it's a shame he'll now never get to be Batman in a good film. I would've been all for him as Batman in a live-action adaptation of the Arkham series. Exactly! These parents don't even realize that. I HATE the character of Clarence Boddicker!!! He should've gotten a much worse death than being stabbed in the fucking throat. His throat should've been ripped out. Totally! I mean, yes, Batman can be a bit brutal at times but even he still has to keep himself in check. Thinking about it now, in my opinion, BvS kind of shows what would happen if Batman doesn't keep himself in check and how he would be in danger of losing his own humanity. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Jul 27, 2019 22:35:31 GMT -8
Sadly I think this kind of pervasive ignorance on the parents' part is why you don't see childrens' merchandise from R-rated properties aimed at kids anymore these days. Arguably no, R-rated films shouldn't be marketed towards kids, but they're not to blame for problems kids and even adults have. That's just ignoring the true underlying problem and is a cop-out.
Boddicker's death in the film feels far too generous. He should've been the one to be caught up in the toxic waste tidal wave and slowly corrode to death from it. Even then that wouldn't be nearly enough for someone like him. I don't think there's a punishment severe enough for such a degenerate like him.
Though there's been comics where Batman is pretty brutal in BVS it felt out of character. The Batman in BVS is sometimes called The Punisher in a batsuit and in a way that's what he really came off as.
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 30, 2019 20:24:45 GMT -8
Sadly I think this kind of pervasive ignorance on the parents' part is why you don't see children's' merchandise from R-rated properties aimed at kids anymore these days. Arguably no, R-rated films shouldn't be marketed towards kids, but they're not to blame for problems kids and even adults have. That's just ignoring the true underlying problem and is a cop-out. Boddicker's death in the film feels far too generous. He should've been the one to be caught up in the toxic waste tidal wave and slowly corrode to death from it. Even then that wouldn't be nearly enough for someone like him. I don't think there's a punishment severe enough for such a degenerate like him. Though there's been comics where Batman is pretty brutal in BVS it felt out of character. The Batman in BVS is sometimes called The Punisher in a batsuit and in a way that's what he really came off as. You're absolutely right. In fact, forgive me for kind of going off-topic, but this reminds of a video I had recently seen on YouTube. The video mentioned some woman who was bitching and complaining about how there are more Millenials with no children visiting Disneyland which supposedly caused her and her children to wait in a long line and not purchase a pretzel. Those who were discussing the topic in the video and those in the comments section said that this so-called "parent" sounds entitled. The reason why I bring this up is because that's what a lot of parents who blame the media for thier children's bad behavior come across as. You notice that a lot of them sound so entitled and act as if they're always right? If they have the gall to take their children, without properly talking to them about things like adult content, to see R rated movies and their children end up being traumatized as a result, it's not the fault of the films. It's the parents' fault due to their bad judgement and to a certain extent, being irresponsible. And if they're entitled like that woman, it's even worse. I'd rather Boddicker suffer excruciatingly before dying and I don't think being caught up in toxic waste is enough. And even several scenes earlier after Alex/Robocop had let him live when he begged for his life, the fucker STILL went after him and tried to kill him again. Yeah, there have been instances in the comics where Batman had gotten pretty brutal. In fact, thinking about it now, the way the Batman in BvS was wasn't too far off in some versions of Batman in the comics. But that doesn't mean that they're truly good in terms of likeablity. One of the main things that a main character is supposed to have is likeablity. And if they don't have that, it's going to be next to impossible for the readers or viewers to even care about them. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Jul 31, 2019 12:41:05 GMT -8
I'm speechless hearing about that mother. Sad state of affairs when people like that are the new standards for parenting in this day and age.
Amazingly enough Boddicker actually appeared in an episode of the animated series. I'm guessing it's likely the cartoon series was meant to be an alternate take on the RoboCop storyline, and surely a far tamer animated counterpart wouldn't be anywhere near reprehensible as Boddicker is in the film. He's to date one of the greatest film villains and everything a villain should be: hateful, irreedeemable and making you want to see the hero succeed.
Batman in the two Tim Burton films was pretty brutal and had no qualms with killing but he still had a likeability to him, which you didn't really get at all in BVS.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 9, 2019 6:18:37 GMT -8
I'm speechless hearing about that mother. Sad state of affairs when people like that are the new standards for parenting in this day and age. Amazingly enough Boddicker actually appeared in an episode of the animated series. I'm guessing it's likely the cartoon series was meant to be an alternate take on the RoboCop storyline, and surely a far tamer animated counterpart wouldn't be anywhere near reprehensible as Boddicker is in the film. He's to date one of the greatest film villains and everything a villain should be: hateful, irreedeemable and making you want to see the hero succeed. Batman in the two Tim Burton films was pretty brutal and had no qualms with killing but he still had a likeability to him, which you didn't really get at all in BVS. Yeah, there are unfortunately some so-called "parents" out there like that chick.
Wow. It's like a lot of the characters that were killed in the film show up in the cartoon like it's nothing. It's crazy. LOL!!! Yes, Boddicker is a villain I LOVE TO HATE! He's definitely to date one of the greatest film villains ever and everything a villain should be.
Exactly! Maybe that's why Michael Keaton's Batman is arguably my most favorite Batman.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 9, 2019 6:21:04 GMT -8
Btw, thanks to you, I'm kinda now on a Robocop kick right now. LOL!!! 
I've been reading up about the film, looking at videos concerning the film, and even looking at the extremely insane kids merchandise that came from this franchise. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Aug 9, 2019 10:43:24 GMT -8
The original is still a timeless classic and even the second one is still a pretty good film. It's amazing how timely and relevant the themes still are today, especially in this day and age of misinformation and technhology taking over our lives.
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 11, 2019 9:18:30 GMT -8
The original is still a timeless classic and even the second one is still a pretty good film. It's amazing how timely and relevant the themes still are today, especially in this day and age of misinformation and technhology taking over our lives. Exactly! It's a film that still holds up. As you said, the themes are still relevant and the uneasy feelings over technology are still important. But most of all, for me, like the Terminator movies, it gives us a lot of things to think about when it comes to humanity, the fear of losing your humanity, and why it's important to value your own humanity. I haven't yet seen the second and third films but I absolutely agree with you. In fact, I think that Robocop is my personal favorite Science Fiction/Action film ever. Even over any of the Terminator films. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Aug 11, 2019 16:37:00 GMT -8
I think the original RoboCop is easily on par with the two classic James Cameron Terminator films. Such an apples and oranges comparison.
RoboCop 2 isn't as good as the first but still worth a watch. Just don't go in expecting it to be like the original. It's much more of a comic book adventure as opposed to the original with it's mix of satire and the Action and Sci-Fi elements. In some ways RoboCop 2 actually feels like a movie that could co-exist within something like the MCU. RoboCain alone is worth the price of admission.
RoboCop 3, on the other hand...
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 17, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
I think the original RoboCop is easily on par with the two classic James Cameron Terminator films. Such an apples and oranges comparison. RoboCop 2 isn't as good as the first but still worth a watch. Just don't go in expecting it to be like the original. It's much more of a comic book adventure as opposed to the original with it's mix of satire and the Action and Sci-Fi elements. In some ways RoboCop 2 actually feels like a movie that could co-exist within something like the MCU. RoboCain alone is worth the price of admission. RoboCop 3, on the other hand... You're right. They are apples and oranges. They can't be compared at all. I still adore the original two Terminator films and I even love T3(AND PROUD OF IT). It's just that there's something about Robocop that's so profound and enthralling.
I might watch Robocop 2 someday. But Robocop 3, nah.
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Aug 17, 2019 13:33:55 GMT -8
It says something 32 years later the original RoboCop is still remembered and talked about. It was still relevant and topical at the time and even mroeso nowadays.
RoboCop 3 is to RoboCop what Batman & Robin was to Batman. It just completely ruined the character. As if that wasn't bad enough, there was also the dreadful Alpha Commando animated series of the later 90s. Words fail me....
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Post by gljbradley on Aug 18, 2019 4:47:11 GMT -8
It says something 32 years later the original RoboCop is still remembered and talked about. It was still relevant and topical at the time and even more so nowadays. RoboCop 3 is to RoboCop what Batman & Robin was to Batman. It just completely ruined the character. As if that wasn't bad enough, there was also the dreadful Alpha Commando animated series of the later 90s. Words fail me.... Indeed. The film still has a powerful impact. As you said, it's still relevant. Even though it's kind of dated, it's still just as important and profound as it was over 3 decades ago. Even for my teenaged self when I first saw it, the movie was so powerful. It's one of those films that I can't stop thinking about after watching it. Also, I don't know if this is important, but, AND THIS IS JUST ME, I personally think that one of the main reasons why the film is still so damn amazing and profound is because it's probably a cross-genre type of film. It has scenes that have a lot of elements from different genres like action films, sci-fi films, drama films, horror films, thriller films, and even comedy films. Yet all of those elements were interwoven so well and flawless together. The tonal shifts were appropriate in the right moments and on point. There's nothing wrong for a movie to have a variety of genres together just as long as they're done right and appropriately. And Robocop showcases this. They really screwed up with the third film and the cartoon. SMH. And yes the analogy between those and Batman & Robin is right. |
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Post by Crypt Keeper on Aug 18, 2019 12:54:01 GMT -8
It really is a complete package of a movie. It works so well as an Action and Sci-Fi film, but also as a biting and sharp satire on corporate greed and consumerism, and how technology is overtaking our lives. It's a Sci-Fi that feels very real and relevant, and like it's only a matter of time before a dystopian future like presented in the film could really become real, someday. We're probably not all that far off from something like RoboCop and ED-209 really existing someday, and in a sense they already do with things like drones.
I remember the RoboCop: Prime Directives mini-series was also cheap and clearly suffered from lack of a budget and a lot of the same cheesiness that plagued the third film and the Alpha Commando cartoon. Thing is it actually tried to harken back to the darker tone of the first but failed badly at it.
I'd love to see a RoboCop vs. Terminator crossover film done right but sadly the time has probably passed for it, with how much older both Arnold and Peter Weller now are. I admire that he isn't letting his advancing age stop him, but even I got to admit that at 72 it's pretty unbelievable that Arnold is still reprising The Terminator.
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